Discovering Molecules

Can we take any molecules with a valencies that would fill the outer shell and they all form a compound?

is there no exception at all?

The short answer is no, there are plenty of exceptions. While the "valency rule" (often taught as the Octet Rule) is a fantastic shorthand for introduction to chemistry, nature doesn't like being confined to a single rulebook. Just because the math of the valencies works out perfectly on paper to fill an outer shell does not guarantee a compound can actually exist.

Here is why that perfect match doesn't always result in a stable compound, along with the major exceptions.

1. Geometric Disasters: Steric Hindrance

Sometimes, the valencies say "yes," but the physical size of the atoms says "no." If you try to pack too many large atoms around a small central atom, they physically crowd each other out. This is called steric hindrance.

2. The Inert Pair Effect (The Lazy Electrons)

As you move down the periodic table to heavier elements (like Lead, Bismuth, or Thallium), the outermost s-orbital electrons become tightly bound to the nucleus and reluctant to participate in bonding.

3. Elements That Don't Want a "Full" Shell

Many stable compounds exist where the outer shells are explicitly not filled to the standard 8 electrons (octet).

Electron-Deficient Compounds (Too Few)

Elements like Boron and Beryllium often form perfectly stable compounds where they are totally fine leaving their outer shells incomplete.

Hypervalent Molecules (Too Many)

Elements in Period 3 and below have access to d-orbitals, allowing them to expand their valence shell far beyond the standard "full" limit.

4. Thermochemical Reality: The Energy Barrier

For a compound to form, the reaction needs to be energetically favorable (usually exothermic, releasing energy).

Even if you find elements with perfectly matching complementary valencies, if the energy required to break the existing bonds of the reactants is higher than the energy released by forming the new compound, the reaction simply won't happen spontaneously. ---

Summary Checklist

Before a compound can exist, it must pass three tests:

  1. Electronic: Do the orbitals mathematically allow for this sharing/transfer?

  2. Steric: Is there physically enough room for the atoms to sit next to each other?

  3. Energetic: Does forming this molecule lower the overall potential energy?

Valency only looks at the first test. If a molecule fails tests 2 or 3, it won't form—no matter how perfect the valency looks on paper!


So, majority of the compounds dont follow the valency rule?

It is more accurate to say that the simplest version of the valency rule (the Octet Rule) works perfectly for a specific group of elements, but fails to account for the vast majority of the periodic table.

If you are looking at organic chemistry—the chemistry of life involving Carbon, Hydrogen, Oxygen, and Nitrogen—the valency rules are incredibly reliable. But once you step outside that bubble into the rest of the chemical universe, "exceptions" actually become the norm.

Here is how the breakdown happens across the periodic table:

1. The Transition Metals (The "Rule Breakers")

The largest block of the periodic table consists of transition metals (like Iron, Copper, Gold, and Platinum). These elements completely abandon a single fixed valency because they have d-orbital electrons that can participate in bonding in multiple different ways.

2. The Heavy Elements (Hypervalency)

As mentioned before, any element from Period 3 or lower on the periodic table (like Phosphorus, Sulfur, Chlorine, and everything below them) can expand its octet.

Because they have access to empty d-orbitals in their third energy level, they can share far more electrons than their standard valency implies.

Element Standard Expected Valency Common "Expanded" Valency Example Compound
Phosphorus (P) 3 5 PCl5 (Phosphorus Pentachloride)
Sulfur (S) 2 4 or 6 SF6 (Sulfur Hexafluoride)
Chlorine (Cl) 1 3, 5, or 7 HClO4 (Perchloric Acid)

3. Where the Valency Rule Actually Rules

The valency rule isn't useless—it's just localized. It rules supreme in Period 2 of the periodic table:

Carbon (4), Nitrogen (3), Oxygen (2), Fluorine (1)

Because these atoms are very small and completely lack d-orbitals, they physically and energetically cannot hold more than 8 electrons in their outer shell. They follow the rule strictly because they have no other choice.

The Modern Perspective: Molecular Orbitals

Chemists today don't really use basic valency to predict if a complex compound will form. Instead, they use Quantum Mechanics and Molecular Orbital (MO) Theory.

Instead of imagining atoms as puzzle pieces with a fixed number of hooks (valencies), modern chemistry views bonding as the merging of electron cloud waves. If the waves overlap in a way that lowers the overall energy of the system, a compound forms—regardless of what the traditional valency tally says!


Do we have a complete set of rules to predict all element combinations / compound perfectly?

The short answer is no, we do not have a single, clean "cheat sheet" of rules that can perfectly predict every single element combination or compound instantly.

If you want a flawless prediction, you cannot rely on simple rules. Instead, you have to use Quantum Mechanics and simulate the physics of the atoms from scratch using massive supercomputers.

However, chemists have a hierarchy of frameworks. As you move down this list, the rules get more complex, but the predictions get closer to perfection:

1. The Lewis / Valency Rules (The Simple Tier)

2. VSEPR & Hybridization (The Geometric Tier)

3. Molecular Orbital (MO) Theory (The Quantum Tier)

This is the closest thing we have to a definitive "rulebook" in conceptual chemistry.

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4. Density Functional Theory / Computational Quantum Chemistry (The Perfect Tier)

When rules fail, physics takes over. This is how modern materials science and drug discovery actually work.

Instead of a chemist looking at a rulebook, a computer solves the Schrödinger Equation—the fundamental equation of quantum mechanics—for all the electrons and nuclei in the proposed molecule.

H^ψ=Eψ

Why a Simple "Perfect" Rulebook is Impossible

The universe operates on energy minimization, not rigid slots. An element doesn't look at its outer shell and think, "I need two more." Instead, nature constantly shifts electrons around to find the lowest possible state of potential energy. Because electron clouds are fluid, dynamic waves, their behavior changes based on temperature, pressure, and the specific neighboring atoms, making a simple, universal list of rules impossible to capture on a single sheet of paper.


But why can't i run a simple computer program on all possible combinations. And then test and discard which ever is not possible

like start with H, H2, LiH2,.....

You actually can do this, and chemists absolutely do! The method you are describing is a massive field of modern science called High-Throughput Virtual Screening and Computational Materials Discovery.

However, running a "simple" program to test all possible combinations faces two massive roadblocks that make a complete, brute-force search impossible: The Combinatorial Explosion and The Quantum Computational Tax.

Here is why we can't just hit "Run" on a basic computer to map out every possible molecule.

1. The Combinatorial Explosion (The Math Problem)

The number of ways you can combine elements grows exponentially. It quickly reaches numbers so massive that there isn't enough time left in the universe to compute them all.

Let's look at the math:

To put that in perspective: The entire observable universe only contains about 1080 atoms. A simple program trying to brute-force its way through every permutation would run forever.

2. The "Quantum Tax" (The Physics Problem)

You mentioned discarding whichever combination is "not possible." To determine if a molecule is stable (possible) or unstable (impossible), a computer cannot just look at a simple checklist. It has to calculate the physics of the electrons.

Because electrons are quantum particles, you have to solve the Schrödinger Equation for every single electron and nucleus in that proposed molecule.

How Scientists Actually Do It Today

Because we can't test everything, scientists use clever shortcuts to do exactly what you envisioned:

1. Evolutionary Algorithms (Genetic Programs)

Instead of testing H2,LiH2,BeH2 blindly, a computer program will start with a random batch of compounds. It calculates their stability. It then takes the "most stable" results, mathematically "breeds" them together (combining their structures), introduces random mutations, and tests the next generation. This lets the program skip trillions of unstable combinations entirely.

2. Machine Learning & AI

In recent years, deep learning models (like Google DeepMind's GNoME) have changed the game. Instead of spending hours running heavy quantum physics calculations for every single structure, an AI is trained on known stable compounds. It can then predict with incredible speed whether a new combination will be stable.

Using this method, AI recently predicted the existence of 2.2 million new stable crystal structures—expanding humanity's known stable materials by an order of magnitude.

3. Filtering by Rules First

To save computing power, a program will use those basic valency and geometric rules you asked about earlier as a "first pass" filter. If a combination is physically impossible due to massive atoms overlapping (steric hindrance), the program discards it instantly in microseconds, saving the expensive quantum simulations only for the combinations that have a realistic fighting chance!


Can we look at the molecules alone and deduce their properties?

What are known methods?

Yes, we can absolutely deduce a molecule’s properties just by looking at its structure. In fact, this is the core foundation of modern chemistry, pharmacology, and materials science.

If you know exactly how the atoms are arranged in 3D space, you can predict its boiling point, toxicity, color, reactivity, and magnetism before ever synthesizing it in a lab.

Chemists use a spectrum of methods to achieve this, ranging from quick mental shortcuts to massive supercomputer simulations. Here are the primary known methods.

1. Structural & Functional Group Analysis (The Intuitive Method)

This is the "human-readable" approach. Molecules are made of specific clusters of atoms called functional groups that behave the same way no matter what molecule they are attached to. By identifying these groups, you can immediately deduce the molecule's macro-properties.

2. QSAR: Quantitative Structure-Activity Relationships (The Statistical Method)

This is a data-driven approach widely used in the pharmaceutical industry to design new drugs without testing millions of chemicals on live cells.

3. Spectroscopy Simulation (The Fingerprint Method)

Every molecule interacts with light (electromagnetic radiation) in a unique way based entirely on its bonds and geometry. We can mathematically deduce how a molecule will absorb or emit light.

4. Molecular Dynamics (The Physics Simulation Method)

If you want to know how a molecule behaves over time (e.g., how a protein folds or how a drug docks into a virus), you use Molecular Dynamics (MD).

5. Quantum Mechanics / Ab Initio Methods (The Fundamental Method)

When you need absolute precision and cannot rely on approximations, you turn to quantum chemistry methods like Density Functional Theory (DFT).

The Ultimate Goal: Inverse Design

Historically, the workflow was: Look at Molecule Deduce Properties.

Today, with AI and advanced computing, scientists are flipping this workflow upside down into Inverse Design: Input Desired Properties AI Generates the Molecule. Instead of guessing what a molecule will do, scientists tell a generative AI model, "Design a non-toxic, flexible polymer that can conduct electricity and withstand 200C," and the computer works backward to output the exact molecular structure required.